Our Team

At Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions, we focus on providing top-quality teen and custom wilderness fly fishing expeditions. Therefore, our guides must possess a diverse set of skills not required of a typical fly fishing guide. Therefore, our Trip Directors and Guides are almost entirely returning staff and alumni of our programs. Their LFFE experience had a lasting impact on their lives, and now they work to provide that same experience for the next generation of future LFFE guides. Most of them have been a part of LFFE since our first few seasons, and we are proud to call all of them a part of the Lillard Fly Fishing Family. They are excellent guides, great leaders, and, most importantly, great people. 


WIll Lillard

A New Jersey native, Will spent his summers backpacking at camp in Colorado and fishing at his grandparents in Western North Carolina. His time spent in the outdoors instilled a growing passion for environmental conservation. After playing lacrosse and earning a BA in Political Science at Kean University, he followed his love for the outdoors into teaching outdoor education. He has led outdoor education trips for Sanborn Camps in CO, Wilderness Adventures in HI, WY, and MT, Naturalist at Large in CA, and the Outdoor Academy in NC. After graduating from a fly fishing guide school at Cutthroat Angler in Silverthorne, CO, he went to work for Crested Butte Angler. While exploring the small mountain streams and lakes during his time off, he decided to turn his passion for the outdoors into a career. He returned to school at NYU for his graduate degree in Environmental Conservation Education. He worked in the Orvis 5th Avenue store's fishing department during graduate school, where he taught fly fishing 101 and fly tying 101. During his free time, he volunteered for Trout Unlimited, teaching and developing lesson plans for their youth education program, "Trout in the Classroom." His passion for fly fishing, conservation, and teaching inspired him to create Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions as his Master's thesis. His goal is to encourage appreciation for nature through participation in backpacking and fly fishing while inspiring future generations of sporting conservationists. When he's not working, he enjoys adventures with his wife Kim and three kids, River Baily and Blake. He is a Wilderness First Responder, Registered Maine Guide, and Montana Outfitter. 

Rocky Mountain Regional Director/Head Guide

Charlie Parr

Charlie is an avid outdoorsman.  His parents taught him to fly fish when he was just 9 years old. Ever since then he has  spent his summers exploring the mountains and rivers of southwest Colorado.  Upon graduating from high school in Oklahoma City, Charlie threw himself into a life dedicated to exploring the outdoors.  While pursuing a degree in History and Political Science at Colorado College, Charlie led outdoor education trips for Sanborn Camps, held a leadership position in the ski club, engaged in conservation work, and was involved in planning and executing many backcountry excursions with friends and various organizations on campus.  Over the past 16 years, Charlie has lived, worked, and played in Colorado, Montana, and New Zealand gaining a great deal of experience in various outdoor pursuits including backpacking, fly fishing, whitewater rafting, backcountry skiing, sea kayaking, and mountaineering.  Through his experiences, Charlie has ascertained that “for young adults, active participation in the outdoors is invaluable for fostering the growth of important life skills such as leadership, responsibility, self awareness, and independence. It also teaches the importance of environmental and resource conservation and just simply knowing how to have fun outside anytime, anywhere.”  Charlie currently lives in Denver, CO where he spends his free time fishing, hiking, skiing, and teaching others how to safely explore the outdoors.

Office Director/Trip Coordinator

Kim Lawson

Kim graduated with a degree in Early Childhood and Elementary Education. Before returning to school for her Master's degree in Special Education she discovered the joy of teaching outdoor education.  While leading wilderness trips for adolescents with Naturalist at Large in CA, Kim loved showing girls how much fun backpacking and river trips could be. Kim used to spend the school year teaching a Kindergarten class for autistic children. Now she manages our office full time. Kim does all the behind the scenes work that keeps our trips running smoothly. If you have any questions during the summer Kim is happy to help. When she is not managing our adventures she can be found on her own adventures with Will and their children River and Baily and dog Jack. 

Trip Director

Pat Sheehy

Another NJ native, Pat Sheehy first learned about LFFE when Will gave a presentation to his Boy Scout troop. Already an experienced angler Pat jumped at the opportunity to refine his skill on our 2012 Blue Ridge Adventure. Three trips later he started working as a co-leader while attending Montana State. He recently earned a degree in Early Childhood Education and we are lucky to have him direct our Montana and Yellowstone Expeditions. Pat's participants love his sense of humor, patience on and off the river, and his knack for putting kids on big fish. When he is not on the water you can find him hunting ducks and turkey. Pat is a certified Wilderness First Responder and licensed Montana Guide. 

Trip Director

Ed Dujardin

Ed moved west for the mountains and snow. His love of competitive big mountain skiing and hard work allowed him to travel the world doing what he loved. A season-ending injury and long recovery turned Ed to fly fishing. What he didn't realize was that ultimately he’d spend more time on the rivers learning to fly fish than anything else. If you are a skier his recovery edit is well worth a watch. 

Whether through skiing, biking, hiking, or fishing, Ed has worked with youth of all ages to share his appreciation for the outdoors through organizations like Western Colorado University, Irwin Guides, and the Fly Fishing Show.  After 10 years of living and fishing out of Crested Butte, Ed now lives in Boulder.  He spends the school year teaching Social Studies and most of his free time skiing, fishing, and trying to escape the crowds of the Front Range. Ed's teaching skills and schedule make him the perfect addition to our team.  

Colorado Expeditions Director

Jack Seiver

Jack was actually the first person to ever sign up for a Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions trip. I have lost count of the number of LFFE trips he has been a part of, but they have certainly fostered a love for outdoor education. After receiving an Environmental Science degree from Santa Clara University, Jack mastered the art of leading wilderness trips for teens. He follows the footsteps of Will, and further trains his outdoor education skills while working for Naturalists at Large during the Fall and Spring. Most of his LFFE experience has been in Colorado, but he also led two Yellowstone Adventures in 2018. Jack is currently based out of Crested Butte and directing the Colorado Expeditions.

Girls Expeditions Trip Director

Ali Bair

Ali has had a lifelong love for the backcountry. During breaks from school in Oklahoma, she traveled to Arkansas and Colorado to hike, fish for trout, and backpack with her dad and brothers. She fell in love with the mountains early on, and knew she would make them the landscape of her adult life. Starting at age 19, she began a now 9 year long career as a fly fishing guide in Rocky Mountain National Park. She has always specialized in guiding clients into the backcountry for the incomparable experience of catching trout in pristine landscapes. Though she has personally traveled to over 20 states and a few countries to fish and explore, her guiding home will always be Estes Park, Colorado. Ali was guiding a family of five deep in the backcountry on an overnight fly fishing and backpacking trip when she met Charlie, also with clients. They said hello and talked fishing for a few minutes. She snapped a quick picture with Charlie’s pack llama, and they continued on their treks. Later, when they were both back to the world of Instagram, Charlie got in touch, recognizing the llama photo Ali had posted! She was thrilled to learn about Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions and all they do. She had the honor of leading Lillard’s first ever all girls trip in Rocky Mountain National Park. Inspiring a love of fly fishing in young people has been a passion for Ali over her entire career. As a woman who remains outnumbered in the male-dominated fly fishing industry, she finds no greater purpose than that of building the confidence and skills in young girls who show an interest in fishing and the outdoors.


Eleanor Pontikes

Eleanor is currently a student at Middlebury College in Vermont where she is pursuing a major in Environmental Studies with a focus in Writing. Growing up in downtown Chicago, she didn’t have many outdoor experiences at home outside of recreational sports, so her parents made a point of encouraging trips out West every summer. From a young age, Eleanor backpacked, horse-backed, and learned to fly fish. At 15, Eleanor went on her first LFFE trip, the Colorado Rocky Mountain Expedition, and then the West Elk Expedition the following summer. Her outdoor experience includes completing a NOLS course in the Yukon Territory, working as a counselor and fly fishing instructor at a ranch camp in Wyoming, and guiding for LFFE last summer on the Colorado and Yellowstone adventures. When she’s not fishing, you can find Eleanor on other outdoor adventures with family, friends and her dog, Remington. She is very passionate about getting more girls on the water and writing about environmental issues and experiences outdoors. She is a certified Wilderness First Responder and certified alpine ski instructor.


Remi Birmingham

Remi’s love for fishing brought him to discover LFFE in 2016. It was his first introduction to fly fishing, and to the beautiful Colorado Rocky Mountains. After returning ever summer for 4 years as a camper, Remi now eagerly helps guide the Colorado and Wind River expeditions. His passion for the Colorado outdoors led him to attend Colorado College in Colorado Springs, where he is working to major in either environmental sciences or organismal biology and ecology. He has experience both fishing and guiding the Colorado Rocky Mountain Expedition, which he has done four times, as well as the Colorado West Elk Expedition, the Yellowstone Expedition, and the Wind River Expedition. Although now based out of Colorado Springs, he still considers the streams and rivers flowing in and around the Shenandoah valley as his home waters, as he grew up in Washington D.C for most of his life.  


Ethan Bourque

A Massachusetts native, Ethan developed a passion for the outdoors at an early age. With access to both the mountains of the Berkshires and the coastline of New England, Ethan found himself immersed in a variety of outdoor environments. He quickly fell in love with fishing, and picked up a fly rod within his first few years of fishing. Ethan was a participant on the West Elk Expedition in LFFE’s third year and has been involved with the program ever since. On any given day, rain, snow, or sunshine, there is an excellent chance he is out on the water somewhere. Ethan graduated from Hamilton College with a degree in Chemistry and a minor in Geology. While attending Hamilton, he ran the Hamilton Fishing Club with several of his classmates. He currently works part time at a fly shop in Concord, MA where he continues to help novice and advanced anglers alike from all over New England. His favorite species are brown trout in freshwater and false albacore in saltwater, with Striped bass being a close second. Ethan is a certified Wilderness First Responder.


Summer Office Manager

Margot Drennen

Margot teaches preschool during the year, but when it comes to the summer, she is here to help with all your questions. Margot manages our office, making sure someone is available to answer your calls from 8AM to 5PM, 7 days a week. After hours she is available in case of emergency. When not working she enjoys spending time with her husband, two children, two dogs, and the occasional foster dog from the local shelter.

Medical Advisor/Fly Fishing Instructor

Dr. Jessica Parr

Jessica grew up fishing on the Connecticut River before attending Colorado College, where she fell in love with the mountains.   Fly fishing has remained a central part of her life throughout her medical training.  She has observed that many of the skills developed through fly fishing can contribute to academic and professional success, which is one of the reasons why she loves teaching adolescents how to fish and safely enjoy the outdoors.  Jessica is also a fly fishing instructor for Casting for Recovery, an organization that plans therapeutic retreats where women affected by breast cancer can enjoy nature and learn how to fly fish.  Jessica is a board-certified MD specializing in internal medicine, and is currently completing a subspecialty fellowship in cardiology.


Harry Desmond

Harry’s love of fly fishing and outdoor adventures has led his travels to Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, and Oregon, where he has worked, played, and explored. In all, Harry has 15 years of experience, including 8 years working in Yellowstone National Park.

Harry is a Sweetwater Fly Fishing Guide School graduate. He is also CPR, first aid, and water safety certified. He is proficient in many techniques, including nymph fishing, dry fly fishing, and streamer fishing, and he will select the right style for any given day’s conditions to maximize your catch. He is also the owner and head guide and Berkshire Rivers Fly Fishing. When he is not helping out with our adventures you can find him guiding on the waters of Western Massachusetts, and CT.

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Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions was started in 2010 as a graduate thesis for my Master's Degree in Environmental Conservation Education at NYU. The operating premise was simple - by coupling amazing wilderness fly fishing camps for teens with environmental education and service learning we can help inspire future generations of fly fishing conservationists. We have been growing our unique list of trips and experiences ever since.

When it comes to choosing a summer program for your teen the options are endless. For the teen who loves to fish, be outside, and has a strong sense of adventure we have made the choice easy. We are the leader in teen fly fishing adventures and are dedicated to providing the best backcountry fly fishing experience with opportunities for teens to engage in leadership training, community service, and backcountry camping.


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Lillard Fly Fishing Expeditions
2540 King Road
Pisgah Forest, NC 28768

(828) 577-8204